Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
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I think some of the early sciences are still too high. Things like some of the production buildings. So far getting your home planet off to a good start is too hard, and building colonisation ships are also too expencive and takes forever, I had them on over night and only have 500 out of the 1500 needed...
Production is important early on, and 300+ points per research + resources to build them + maintenance to keep them all just makes anything almost impossible.
So far its been 175 turns, and I have been growins quite slowly, but already I am struggling to support what I built...and am not gaining from some of it...
While getting to col ships is fine now, I cant build them...and if I built them I couldnt support them, so all this needs a bit of balancing.
I think if farms and production buildings were easier to get and also less to maintain then it should solve this.
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Maverick
[ Posts : 1331 ]
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I think some of the early sciences are still too high. Things like some of the production buildings. So far getting your home planet off to a good start is too hard, and building colonisation ships are also too expencive and takes forever, I had them on over night and only have 500 out of the 1500 needed...
Production is important early on, and 300+ points per research + resources to build them + maintenance to keep them all just makes anything almost impossible.
So far its been 175 turns, and I have been growins quite slowly, but already I am struggling to support what I built...and am not gaining from some of it...
While getting to col ships is fine now, I cant build them...and if I built them I couldnt support them, so all this needs a bit of balancing.
I think if farms and production buildings were easier to get and also less to maintain then it should solve this.
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Strange, but my thoughts were that early science are too low
On early stage you should have quick access to only few and basic buildings and all other should come later. I do agree that colony ship is too expensive and I'll set its base cost to 1000 (500 is too low I think)
To help player in early stage I'm planning (as mentioned in other post) to add some base buildings that doesn't require a technology. Two of them in my mind: Farm Complex +1 food/farmer and Factory Complex +1 production/worker. Both with 1 maintenance and 20 cost.
Next I'm planing to implement taxes. Population will generate some income. Taxes will reduce population growth.
After all above I think the problem with maintenance will not be so evident anymore and early stage of the game would be ok. At least I hope so 
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
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Next I'm planing to implement taxes. Population will generate some income. Taxes will reduce population growth.
After all above I think the problem with maintenance will not be so evident anymore and early stage of the game would be ok. At least I hope so
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Well thank god for taxes. Taxes, once balanced and perfected, would drastically help the maintenance issues, in my opinion.
Afterall, from what Emperor L has been saying, it sounds nearly impossible to get on your feet and grow.
EDIT: Thanks for those 2 little starter buildings. I now, officially, have +2 income instead of -4 lol.
14 Maintenance is a bitch though...
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 10-Jul-2008 15:26]
Ok, that should help alot
Could the maintenance of the automated farms and auotmated factories be made lower or their output increased? They are about the same as these, except cost twice as much per turn...think thats the only problem left.
Also, 1000 for col ships seems ok, I am half way to one now, and with lower maintenane they should be ok
Also, could the pollution removal of recycling center be changed higher? 5 is not enough, and with the new building its going to grow even more. Maybe it could be 10? I already have recycling center, and still 2 polution, it grows even more if I put more population onto production...e
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Maverick
[ Posts : 1331 ]
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Could the maintenance of the automated farms and auotmated factories be made lower or their output increased? They are about the same as these, except cost twice as much per turn...think thats the only problem left.
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Automated farms and automated factories have 1 fro maintenance. Automated farms add +2 food/colony and +1 food/farmer so they are better than Farm Complex. Automated factories add +5 production/colony and +1 production/worker, so they are better than Factory Complex.
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
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Could the maintenance of the automated farms and auotmated factories be made lower or their output increased? They are about the same as these, except cost twice as much per turn...think thats the only problem left.
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Automated farms and automated factories have 1 fro maintenance. Automated farms add +2 food/colony and +1 food/farmer so they are better than Farm Complex. Automated factories add +5 production/colony and +1 production/worker, so they are better than Factory Complex.
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Oh, ok. Just on the list I have it says its 2 maintenance
Is it possible to upload a file with all the new values? So we can see exactly what is what, and I guess this will all be in the guide eventualy anyway, so it would help for now.
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Maverick
[ Posts : 1331 ]
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Is it possible to upload a file with all the new values? So we can see exactly what is what, and I guess this will all be in the guide eventualy anyway, so it would help for now.
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If you've noticed we have a new menu item - DQ:H Encyclopedia. You will have required info there. It is generated on DB data so it will have the latest info. Otherwise I would have to send you an xls file on daily bases 
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
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Is it possible to upload a file with all the new values? So we can see exactly what is what, and I guess this will all be in the guide eventualy anyway, so it would help for now.
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If you've noticed we have a new menu item - DQ:H Encyclopedia. You will have required info there. It is generated on DB data so it will have the latest info. Otherwise I would have to send you an xls file on daily bases
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Ive noticed it, but its all in latin.
So i cant understand a word of it.
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 10-Jul-2008 15:56]
Yeah, I noticed it too, but its all latin as Disrupter said...I couldnt find the information about buildings...
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Maverick
[ Posts : 1331 ]
| [Post Date: 10-Jul-2008 16:40]
Yes, it is work in progress.
Need those descriptions from you K 
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
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Yes, it is work in progress.
Need those descriptions from you K
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Oh, yeah
I will get onto that again
Right, ideas...I am really strugling to find anything to say for most of them...
Disrupter, can you think of anything?
I don't know, it would be good to have them all with jokes, but for now shall I just make a basic description and think of some things else to say, like short history of the item?
I think having jokes for all will be a bit much and loose its intrest if they all do, but some now and then would be good.
Some can have famous quotes if they work, others a made up/real history and other things. These can all make them interesting and worth reading through...
I will try something like this.
Also, what does the X mean at the start of some things? Like X-Psychology, X-Colonisation etc...
Do these need other names, like maybe 'Colonisation Theory', or something like this?
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Maverick
[ Posts : 1331 ]
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Yes, it is work in progress.
Need those descriptions from you K
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Oh, yeah
I will get onto that again
Right, ideas...I am really strugling to find anything to say for most of them...
Disrupter, can you think of anything?
I don't know, it would be good to have them all with jokes, but for now shall I just make a basic description and think of some things else to say, like short history of the item?
I think having jokes for all will be a bit much and loose its intrest if they all do, but some now and then would be good.
Some can have famous quotes if they work, others a made up/real history and other things. These can all make them interesting and worth reading through...
I will try something like this.
Also, what does the X mean at the start of some things? Like X-Psychology, X-Colonisation etc...
Do these need other names, like maybe 'Colonisation Theory', or something like this?
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Good approach for texts. First we need at least basic descriptions.
The X is for extraterrestrial, but if you'll find better names go ahead and propose
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
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Good approach for texts. First we need at least basic descriptions.
The X is for extraterrestrial, but if you'll find better names go ahead and propose
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I havent thought of anything really, never even bothered lol.
How about ET instead of X, obviously for Extra-Terrestrial?
Oh and i saw the new Empire counter, i actually have money 112 (+11 income).
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
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Good approach for texts. First we need at least basic descriptions.
The X is for extraterrestrial, but if you'll find better names go ahead and propose
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Oh, ok. Although like disrupter said, ET is usualy used for Extraterrestrial, and even then I dont know if it works for things like this...sounds... I dont know, sort of wrong for some reason, but I dont know why
Is this meant to be invented by aliens then? Is it like krong or fagur tech or something?
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Maverick
[ Posts : 1331 ]
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Good approach for texts. First we need at least basic descriptions.
The X is for extraterrestrial, but if you'll find better names go ahead and propose
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Oh, ok. Although like disrupter said, ET is usualy used for Extraterrestrial, and even then I dont know if it works for things like this...sounds... I dont know, sort of wrong for some reason, but I dont know why
Is this meant to be invented by aliens then? Is it like krong or fagur tech or something?
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No, no krogn or fagur involved . Actually I got this X thing from a very popular game from 4x series Galactic Civilizations II. in this game they call it "Xeno ...". SO I made it a s an abbreviation.
Feel free to invent something new
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