Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
 | [Post Date: 25-Jun-2006 18:35]
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Ok has TG been paused or something? I scheduled my empire's deletion a half hour ago at least and not a turn has passed in TG. Does god hate me or is something actually wrong with it?
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Yea somethign isnt right with TG. I editted this message before i left my house over an hour ago. TG still hasnt advanced any turns.
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TG is over I took all the GP 300 turns back and the round ended
That is why i thought victor could start in Virgo because I dont thing he has empire there, if not wait for TG to be reset and see what happens then
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Green
[ Posts : 1005 ]
 | [Post Date: 25-Jun-2006 20:13]
Something is strange here. If no one will be against - I`ll reset Trio and TG tomorrow. Trio will be replaced with the latest codebase - possibe I missed smth.
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jun-2006 01:41]
Ok, lets hope it works
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
 | [Post Date: 26-Jun-2006 02:12]
Yea i hope it works too. Im sorry to be such a pain about it, but i didnt know if it happened to anyone else. Also lord viktor and are also kinda diehard Delta Quadrant players now.
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Green
[ Posts : 1005 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jun-2006 20:55]
I`v restarted TG, but Trio will be frozen one more day - I can not find different backup from precedent one. I think, we will recreate planets and reset it tomorrow.
Updated - found one, will restore it just now.
Updated once more: but it will be frozen, until I`ll found why system decided to kill those Krongs - something is strange, very strange.
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Green
[ Posts : 1005 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jun-2006 21:31]
Hmmm, possible I found why: sometimes, when player is spawned on relatively bad planet (but acceptable from game logic), Krong`s Empire balance is negative. So, if player will NOT focus all on energy/metal production first several turns - empire will die.
I need the following:
1) Exact description of steps, which you did
2) If the situation persist -please, describe all actions step by step.
In any case - galaxy is open, but time is not started. Will start it in 1-2 days.
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jun-2006 21:57]
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Hmmm, possible I found why: sometimes, when player is spawned on relatively bad planet (but acceptable from game logic), Krong`s Empire balance is negative. So, if player will NOT focus all on energy/metal production first several turns - empire will die.
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Would this be possible to happen 5 or 6 times though? Also he says that it was destroyed in 7 mins one time, even if this was one turn could all the resources be used this quick?
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jun-2006 23:30]
Well i think it is possible that it keeps happening. Through the series of rapid empire executions and from my memories of previous rounds, ive noticed that the first krong player in a galaxy always starts in the same exact spot. I believe it is the same for everyone. So K, you should have the same planet as before. I know that i am in the same spot as before as well. But i dont understand why i get deleted for not focusing on resource productions.
List of Steps:1. login
2. look at hypernode
3. go to morphing and build 10 CECs, 10 CFs and 10 CMs costing 3450 y units
4. switch out to m-nodes screen
5. launch 1500 y units to a mass scan
I did those 5 things every time i started an empire, including in TG and the newest trio. After i launched the mass scan i went to the galaxy screen and clicked around a lot, most of the time until i died. I was looking for a certain kind of star, i just clicked around a lot.
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jun-2006 23:33]
*sigh* now TG is deleting. I just got killed in TG after a turn ended. All i did was follow the above 5 steps and then i logged out. I shall request that lord viktor try to do the same for trio and TG, but i fear that trio will delete me too. i hope it doesnt and im sorry im such a pain with these annyoing little glitches. Oh and if it helps, it happened when i was krong.
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 27-Jun-2006 01:23]
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*sigh* now TG is deleting. I just got killed in TG after a turn ended. All i did was follow the above 5 steps and then i logged out. I shall request that lord viktor try to do the same for trio and TG, but i fear that trio will delete me too. i hope it doesnt and im sorry im such a pain with these annyoing little glitches. Oh and if it helps, it happened when i was krong.
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Ok, so this means that it is a starting empire thing then. Get victor to start in virgo, this was reset before the others and you already successfully created empire in virgo. If it also happens in virgo then something has happened to the whole of DQ:E or your system/connection or something. If not then just new rounds have a problem after reset.
Also I will create krong empire in TG and follow the steps above to see what happens
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 27-Jun-2006 01:36]
Ok, my krong empire has just been destroyed in one turn in TG, this means that the problem is effecting everyone now, my human empire is still ok though.
I started empire and did as it says above, clicked arround a bit and logged on in trio, come back to Tg and it is destroyed
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Your Empire has been destroyed.Last empire events:
0:1:4 Welcome to 'DELTA QUADRANT: Empires' universe 1
Create new Empire No, thanks
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I will start as fagur and see what happens
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
| [Post Date: 27-Jun-2006 03:03]
Ok so, K's thing died, which is good. Cause its not just me. Lord Viktor has tried setting up krong in virgo and so far it seems good. I will keep you all updated with my bitching on various problems.
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Green
[ Posts : 1005 ]
| [Post Date: 27-Jun-2006 13:42]
First, do not panic!
Second, seems to me you just found wery ancient bug - it was here from the beginning
I need some more time to make simulations on dev server - I`ll take the same Trio backup and do some turns. I suspect the place in code where this bug can hide
Thanx again for help.
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
| [Post Date: 27-Jun-2006 17:25]
No problem. Im just curious as to why trio is frozen now and TG has the bug of destruction. I mean virgo is fine apparently and so are the humans in the other two. Is this just a bug because Krong are too powerful in my hands 
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Green
[ Posts : 1005 ]
| [Post Date: 27-Jun-2006 17:39]
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No problem. Im just curious as to why trio is frozen now and TG has the bug of destruction. I mean virgo is fine apparently and so are the humans in the other two. Is this just a bug because Krong are too powerful in my hands
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No
I found it and fixed - I hope.
The problem was the following:
Each turn system calculate "empire cost" in Y-units. By the other words, it look how many Y-units do you have per total (including morphed in CEC, CF, etc). If this value is less than Y-units you got at Empire start - it consider that you have no chance to survive - and just kill Empire. In case above empire got 5000 Y-units. 1500 was spend for mass scan. At next turn empire`s cost was 4658 (including 18 Y-units from production).
4658<5000 ?
Yes.
Kill empire.
Now, I changed minimal Empires`s cost to 10% from start value - i.e. in our case this is 500 Y-units. I`v simulated 32 turns in future - all ok, production grow. So, hope it is fixed.
I`ll deploy patch on all active galaxies and start Trio tomorrow.
Thanx to all
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