Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
 | [Post Date: 25-Jul-2008 18:29]
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I was only expecting the 88 Cruisers and 2 titans. If you couldnt already tell, i cut my losses and ran. Would have stayed if it was worth it...
Id like to nit pick this with maverick a little bit too.... You should have sustained many more losses then you did, or my fleet should have been wiped out all at once. If all of our ships fired all of their weapons all at once at each other, you should have lost at LEAST 42 ships, and so would i 
The fact is, you lost 28 ships TOTAL, which makes 0 sense to me. The first round was ok. The 2nd made no sense, yea, i did lose some ships, but that doesnt mean you lose THAT many less then me.
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Heh, I didnt expect that many either
But anyway, dammage will be shared over all ships, so having lits soaks up the dammage. If you sent 10 ships agains 100, you wouldnt expect to destroy 10 enemy ships, they would fire much more at you, than you fire at them, and much dammage will be soaked up by the others...
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
 | [Post Date: 25-Jul-2008 18:35]
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Heh, I didnt expect that many either
But anyway, dammage will be shared over all ships, so having lits soaks up the dammage. If you sent 10 ships agains 100, you wouldnt expect to destroy 10 enemy ships, they would fire much more at you, than you fire at them, and much dammage will be soaked up by the others...
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That makes sense, but thats just stupid...
It means i could send 10,000 frigates at you and the damage would be all over the place for me, but id eventually kill you. It makes it about Quantity not Quality. And dont go saying that your ships are both, because my ships were both for me.
I think thats incredibly stupid for the system to work. Unless you can change how your ships fight (spraying the battlefield with fire or ship to ship combat) then ive just gotten really turned off to this. K, i know you'd agree that in a REAL combat situation, you would tell all your ships to fire on one ship at a time. You would never throw all your firepower at all the enemy ships.
There is nothing logical about that at all and it essentially ruins a need for ship diversity, because with enough small ships, anything can be killed even when they should be.
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 25-Jul-2008 18:42]
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That makes sense, but thats just stupid...
It means i could send 10,000 frigates at you and the damage would be all over the place for me, but id eventually kill you. It makes it about Quantity not Quality. And dont go saying that your ships are both, because my ships were both for me.
I think thats incredibly stupid for the system to work. Unless you can change how your ships fight (spraying the battlefield with fire or ship to ship combat) then ive just gotten really turned off to this. K, i know you'd agree that in a REAL combat situation, you would tell all your ships to fire on one ship at a time. You would never throw all your firepower at all the enemy ships.
There is nothing logical about that at all and it essentially ruins a need for ship diversity, because with enough small ships, anything can be killed even when they should be.
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Yeah, I agree and disagree.
I think you should have options to what you attack, but this is how DQ:E worked also.
I think some kind of strategy options, like attack strongest. Attack weakest, attack randomly would be good. This way you will be sure to destroy something.
But I dont know, in reality would you put all your ships in 1 fleet. While its strong it leaves your other planets un defended, so its probably not going to be that sort of numbers...not sure...
What would be good, is if each turn you could change your tactics depending on how the last turn went, so you can try and bring it to your advantage...maybe thats what formations should be like...
But either way, lets work out the total attack and defence of our fleets, and we will see.
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
| [Post Date: 25-Jul-2008 18:50]
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Yeah, I agree and disagree.
I think you should have options to what you attack, but this is how DQ:E worked also.
I think some kind of strategy options, like attack strongest. Attack weakest, attack randomly would be good. This way you will be sure to destroy something.
But I dont know, in reality would you put all your ships in 1 fleet. While its strong it leaves your other planets un defended, so its probably not going to be that sort of numbers...not sure...
What would be good, is if each turn you could change your tactics depending on how the last turn went, so you can try and bring it to your advantage...maybe thats what formations should be like...
But either way, lets work out the total attack and defence of our fleets, and we will see.
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This isnt one fleet at all. This was only 1 of my like 6 fleets of around equal size. You're the one who put all the ships in one fleet. Any mention of that i used was purely for example.
The numbers
21000 Total Shield
126000 Total Hull Strength
6720 Electronics (160% per)
94578 Total Attack
I can imagine your numbers obviously being much larger lol.
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 25-Jul-2008 18:53]
Ok, here was all the ships I sent originaly:
Ok, so I just copied my fleets totals:
In Fleet of Legends:
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Number | Name | Propulsion | Shield | Armour | Electronics | Attack
98 Lithian Heavy Battle Cruiser | 6 | 240 | 2400 | 160 | 2032
2 Lithian Space Fortress 8 | 600 | 3600 | 160 | 7952
26 Lithian Subspace Cruiser 8 | 160 | 2400 | 160 | 1600
27 Lithian Solar Flare Frigate 6 | 0 | 600 | 120 | 384
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In Aries:
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Number | Name | Propulsion | Shield | Armour | Electronics | Attack
10 Lithian Heavy Battle Cruiser 6 240 2400 160 2032
1 Aries 7 500 3000 160 3712
5 Aries Cruiser 8 0 2400 160 1320
14 Lithian Subspace Cruiser 8 160 2400 160 1600
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So, not sure of the totals, I will make a spread sheet and work it out
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 25-Jul-2008 20:08]
I think maybe the amount the dammage is spread is a little too much effected by fleet size. While the bigger fleet should win, it should also take a fair amount of damage in the attack, but right now it will be impossible to defend stars, and easy to invade...
Maybe make it a bit more balanced on how damage is done...
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
| [Post Date: 25-Jul-2008 20:37]
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I think maybe the amount the dammage is spread is a little too much effected by fleet size. While the bigger fleet should win, it should also take a fair amount of damage in the attack, but right now it will be impossible to defend stars, and easy to invade...
Maybe make it a bit more balanced on how damage is done...
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Thats the problem that i have with it the way it is now. I KNEW full well that my fleet would die, but i was expecting maybe at or more then 50% casualties on your side. Instead I only inflicted like 5% or something.
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 25-Jul-2008 20:43]
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Thats the problem that i have with it the way it is now. I KNEW full well that my fleet would die, but i was expecting maybe at or more then 50% casualties on your side. Instead I only inflicted like 5% or something.
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Yeah, that way even if you know your not going to win, you can at least dammage the enemy fleet for later, or so they cant continue attacking you or take out some ships before they hit the planet.
But as it is, your only going to loose. If the enemy has a larger fleet they can go right through you and take almost no damage.
Just an idea, but is it possible that ships keep their damage after battle? The only way to repair them would be to have them idle in one of your own systems for so many turns, maybe heal a set % of health while idle in your own system (or maybe also allies but for less) like maybe 5 % of max HP each turn in own star and 2% in allies star.
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 25-Jul-2008 22:54]
Right, I am going to send my biggest fleet to wait at Nebu for the night, so do your worst
Its only 9:00 PM, but by the time they arrive it will be late probably. But I will wait to see the battle reports tomorrow
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jul-2008 00:36]
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Right, I am going to send my biggest fleet to wait at Nebu for the night, so do your worst
Its only 9:00 PM, but by the time they arrive it will be late probably. But I will wait to see the battle reports tomorrow
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Im soooo tempted to attack, but you have more ships then i do, and we all know how that tends to turn out
I wont be attacking you yet
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jul-2008 01:06]
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Im soooo tempted to attack, but you have more ships then i do, and we all know how that tends to turn out
I wont be attacking you yet
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Yeah
It still hasnt arrived at its first destination yet, so I cant send it anyway. Tomorrow I will though, so we can have a battle then.
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jul-2008 02:04]
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Yeah
It still hasnt arrived at its first destination yet, so I cant send it anyway. Tomorrow I will though, so we can have a battle then.
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what the hell!? What the freaking HELL?!!
I quit this round you win K, its not worth the effort anymore.
Who the hell killed 10 titans and 2 battleships while i got ONE. Screw that kinda bulls$@%
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jul-2008 11:15]
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what the hell!? What the freaking HELL?!!
I quit this round you win K, its not worth the effort anymore.
Who the hell killed 10 titans and 2 battleships while i got ONE. Screw that kinda bulls$@%
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Wasnt me...I dont think, what star was this at? If it was in Roouwui then maybe it was me, else probably not...
Thats the only battle report where I destroy 12 and loose 1...
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Emperor L
[ Posts : 1237 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jul-2008 11:31]
Anyway, I was bulding ships all night, ordered 10 on about half my planets, so now I have like 500 ships all needing organising into fleets 
Its going to take forever...we really need some sort of options to merge all fleets in a star etc.
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Disrupter
[ Posts : 458 ]
| [Post Date: 26-Jul-2008 17:05]
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Wasnt me...I dont think, what star was this at? If it was in Roouwui then maybe it was me, else probably not...
Thats the only battle report where I destroy 12 and loose 1...
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When the hell did you go to Roouwui? And did you go to a bunch of other of my planets? Half my drive worlds lost ships...
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